name and shame the lying trainers or jockeys

Don't you just love the lies for the media.

Robert Heathcote gets his second stringer in at 11/1 over the odds on stable mate.
The jockey salutes after the race like it was a total set up and us the stupid punters are left reeling.

The other trainer I don't respect in this regard is Snowden.
Mr nice guy sends out parables and soul at 13/1 knocks it off.

Plugga
wrote Today at 11:16am

Work the Room was $9 out to $10 on track Rancho

Just replying to ur comment plugga....I wasnt on track never been to a bris track, was at the track in my study on my computer chair ! and it was 14s to 10s on centrebet so i backed it ......

50 rides? What is that, 8 days worth for a "good" jock? Doesn't matter. Might have had the flu that week.

I can read threads and articles everyday where people declare their horse and they don't always win. We see plunges land and come unstuck everyday. But we choose this one to get our goat. Why? Because a half decent horse beat some other half decent horses after being backed from 14's to 10's? Because the fave that has never won first up got beaten first up? Because the trainer was wrong about his chances? Things like that happen everyday.

If the winner had been tipped by the trainer, shortened from 14's to 10's and been beaten, would this thread exist?

It used to be that if you are paying the bills you get the info. If you ain't paying, then you get the form guide. When did that change?

This thread is going to turn into one that was on here maybe a year ago about who pays the bills and who supports who, be it the punter the trainer or the owner.......ahhh the good old days......

There is amny things that need to be considered here. Firstly in regards to Snowden/Darley, Mcevoy gets first pick of the ride he wants. So even if Parables was the better horse which i think it is, that doesn't mean that it will win. At the end of the day, how can you trust trainers realistically. If you're relying on trainers to give you a "tip" then you're foolishly mistaken. The only people that make money in this industry are trainers. They only care for connections, they do not give a hoot about us punters. Let's be realistic here..

50 Rides under $10 in the market Whiz. More like over a month or more
C Brown has been in poor form for a long time, he's more intersested in getting Off his Rails these days.

On McEvoy ? He's not a great Jockey but clearly not as bad as some have him in there minds. He obviously get's the best rides for Darley and for mine isn't positive enough with the way Australian racing is run, (Jump. Slow the tempo and sprint home) but that isn't all his fault as Snowden trains alot of his horse to get back unlike Waterhouse who trains the majority of hers to race on the speed.
Imo C Brown doesn't have the killer instinct anymore, Parr is a Dud who is a terrible judge of pace and has no intiative and McEevoy a good but not great jockey. I like aggresive Jockey's ala Nash, Pumper, Cropp they seem to be able to get the most out of the horse especially in tight finishes.

agree totally plugga, in fact your post there is very similar to one i posted yesterday... Parr is kidding himself. funny you mention cropp, she rides at least 2 $50 winners a week cuz she is aggressive, takes them to the front, cuddles them, then absolutely scrubs the feck out of them up the straight. newitt is similar, he's very aggressive.

Pumper is only a jockey I want on board when he is dictating.. I have personally had him ride some of mine from behind and he's given them stinkers..
Back to McEvoy - again, Im not talking about his riding abilities - nor Parr's for that matter. More the point that he often chooses the wrong horse to ride when Snowden has multiple runners.
Nash hands down is the jockey you love to have riding if your money is on and Rodd is always a favourite of mine. Williams does more form study than 98% of the punters actually betting on the race.

Williams manager does more form than any punter. mark Guest best manager ever

This thread was written purely and simply for accountability.

I used to go he track in the 80s and punters would line up and give it to jockeys and trainers when there was a sting.
Now in the world of political correctness and excuse makers the punter does not have a voice.

Is Richard Callendar or the blonde crawler on tvn gonna call it like it is?

No.

Alienate them and they won't talk to you.

And mcevoy is a Canterbury jockey.
Full stop rides the track better than most.

On Parr when I was doing the video replay form go watch his ride on Indiscretions at RAND R4 05/11/2011 - Blocked/hard held to line.

Please tell me someone watched the head on as to me there was a run WTF was he doing ? Anyway it's under the odds tomorrow and I'll be taking it on in all my bet's.

I like next the universe in the same race plugga, should b a k.lees quinella

Box these numbers if you can afford it
2,4,5,7,11,12
$60 for a half unit

Didn't Snowden have two runners at Canterbury on Saturday.

Of course the better price got the cash!

Waller is one of the worst. If he gets interviewed just before the race when he has 2 runners, he will say something negative about one of them but if it wins afterwards he will praise it and say how well it was going. Deceiving git!!!

Congratulations on this fantastic thread. Some great comments. Glad to see Snowden getting a mention. How was the "sudden improvement" of SCARF!!!! He's one of the best I've ever seen!

He was made look bad when he got stuck on the sticky part of the track before he headed south.

tim martin big betting stable, the give away is if he puts bowman or cassidy on, you can rest assured a plunge is coming.. they wont even tell owners that the horse is going to win or that he plans to back it... funny that all his big betting mates know to get on

there's some truth in what you say goldenwing but couldn't Scarf's jockey had made a bit more effort to navigate a path in the better going as it was a short priced fav in Sydney.
Still my favourite Snowden "sudden improver at the better odds" would have to go to DISPUTES. First up is backed into 1.6 only to be left floundering unplaced in a weak Newc F&M mdn, then comes out at the "better value" 10 to 8.5 and wins its next start at Rosehill on a saturday. Great training performance but tuff cookies for those who thought it might be capapble of winning a maiden at newc. I guess the key is that it doesn't pay to take the shorts about Darley horses as they can be most "unlucky" then are able to win at bigger odds at their next start. ie I guess Sepoy comes to mind when "unlucky" as a beaten 1.25 fav a week before the Slipper then comes out and absolutely brains them and even YULALONA can't quite get home as a 4.0 fav at Canters then 2 starts later bolts in the Summer Cup at 9.0. Look for value and avoid them when their short seems a sensible way to punt with the Darley horses.