doncaster handicap

hay chilli ,if i back Whobe at 9s ,is that the right price to watch him get beat in the doncaster ? LOL

only if you want to keep knocking good horses mate

I wonder why he would be fav surround ???

$9 does look tempting. It is very painful to watch the replay of last year's race. If you look up moral beaten in the dictionary Whobegotyou in the Doncaster is there.

and I've been crying ever since seve..........he was 10/1 that day.

i think he's a good horse but he's not in the great bracket .he not winning the top level races.i think he's fav ,because theres plenty of suckers out there, and you'll be crying for the next 12 months .good luck.

Think what you like but I don't think suckers made him fav. Don't think they frame the markets !!

Early homework sais keep an eye on these 8 horses for THE DONCASTER HANDICAP shortest $21,
Black Piranha - Largo Lad - Miss Marielle - O'lonhro - Road To Rock -Snipers Bullet - Triple Honour -
Vision And Power.

Very keen on Manhattan Rain for this one, that trial on friday was better than the trial he produced before his spring campaign... he is bigger, better and focused on being a true star of the turf

What kind of record do 3yr olds have of winning?

I think in the last 20 years 3yo's have a pretty good record in the race...from memory (don't quote me) we have had the likes of Skating, Sunline, Haradasun, Over, Private Steer, Assertive Lad

Not sure if the Doncaster is on the radar, but I'm keen on More Joyous, Typhoon Tracy and Irish Lights. I like the high quality F&M's down in the weights.

Gai loves the doncaster so would love to win the race with MR, does that add value to him as a stallion prospect? Maybe, Maybe not. Typhoon Tracy is the horse to beat if set for race she is the best 1400-1600 horse in australia by panels ATM. If Denman dodges the CF Orr she will be close to $1.50 and will brain them!

Agreed faculty (re: TT)..........couldn't have said it better myself....:-) I suspect Denman will dodge a match up with Tracy in the Orr........don't want their stallion prospect shown up by a mere female.......Lol!!

Don't think the 17's about TT for the Doncaster will last long (TAB fixed). They have her set for the Orr and the Futurity, but can't help but think they'll give her a little ride up to Sydney...

I have taken a little of the $18 on Betfair Horsemiller12.....can see her quote tightening up after she domoralises them in the CF Orr Stks. I will also take her in the CF Orr into herself in the Doncaster at around 30/1 before Saturday

Where can you get that all-up Leeroy?...........my bookie won't let me on with her in both legs!!!..........

TIPPER you can get close to that on the tab taking the double. Why not put what you expect to get back on this race on the the doncaster fixed. Eg. 100 lvl stakes = 170 at watever price your bookie has it in the doncaster. That way if it runs extremely well in the orr but doesn't win your not out and still get the better odds.

toptipster I have taken bets like that a number of times with the TAB (fixed odds). I have not taken it as yet however I will be shortly

Three words SO YOU THINK

does anyone know the plan for So You Think? what prep he is likely to atke in to the donnie

Well his first two runs are definitely the Autumn Stakes in a fortnight then the Australian Guineas. If he runs in the Doncaster (and I'm not sure if he will... surely the Derby is a nice aim?) he either goes into the Phar Lap two week after the Guineas, then the George Ryder at WFA two weeks after that, then the Doncaster, or Bart would give him three weeks before the Doncaster/after the Guineas and run in a race like the Ajax. Like Chilli said in the other thread, I suspect Bart's main aim in the cups in the spring so he will probably have a light prep in the autumn.

Fair enough but i love the Doncaster so id like to see him there. I dont agree with Rangirandoo being favorite as he is with my bookie. Im looking at what i can afford to lay him for on bet fair. I rate More Joyous as an absolute freak and capable of doing something ridiculous this year as it gets older and hopefully more manageable.

Does anyone have any stats on 3yr olds vs older horses?

it would be an ok stat... has been some gun 3yr olds in the donny... mouawad, haradasun from top of my head... i did some basic work before and i ended up with the theory that 3 yr olds are a more than viable proposition in the Donny... the good ones always seem to run well... even when they are unfairly weighted...

Sunline, Over, Private Steer, Racing To Win, Haradasun and Triple Honour are a few that come to mind.

add More Joyous to that list Nudge

Rock Classic at $330

I am hoping Shoot Out pays the late nom fee, hear there is a chance.
Can anyone gets odds on it before this happens?

you would have to check few bookmakers sites to see dont think you will get odds till next acceptances when they pay a late fee

Weekend Hussler!? Not sure if he's in early Donny markets (haven't looked myself) but I might plonk a few bob each way if he is. Rangirangdoo is a quality horse and he'll get a chance to prove how good he is over the next few weeks. I very much doubt Typhoon Tracey will go to Sydney, as I said in another post somewhere that from what I understand she will run in the Futurity and then board a plane to the desert, what race she is being set for in Dubai exactly I'm not sure but that's where I think she'll go. What about Metal Bender? Is he fit again or still injured or what's happening with him coz I think he's a star in the making...Whobegotyou for mine is the one to beat at this stage though.

As stated above take the $330 on offer for Rock Classic Bart will work his magic.

Molanski - Metal Bender has been trf to C Waller

Shoot Out pays late entry fee. Bring on the rain for this horse!

I'll vomit if Typhoon Tracy goes os and More Joyous goes to the Oaks.

could someone please shed some light on Whobegotyou's likely prep?

from what i undertsand mate he is bypassing MELB first up but unsure of where he will resume in sydney as KAV is playing cards very close... then off to the GEORGE RYDER... i believe he will only be having two runs before he hits the donny as they are planning to take him to QLD for the winter... either aiming at the sprints BTC/STRADDY or chasing the HOLLINDALE/ DOOMBEN CUP double... hopefully it happens cos i would love to see the big fella up here!!!

Good run by Shooy Out on Saturday, comin galong nicely for the race

Geez 58kg for Whobe... they are killing me!

Get on the More Joyous steam train.

49.5kg... geez she has no excuses at the weights.

Horsemiller12 wrote Feb 1 at 4:25pm

"Not sure if the Doncaster is on the radar, but I'm keen on More Joyous (15-1), Typhoon Tracy (17-1) and Irish Lights (31-1). I like the high quality F&M's down in the weights."

Would the Typhoon cop maybe another .5kg or 1kg if she won the Queen of the turf? Is there a penalty free option? Gee, she'd be getting up in the weights with 56.5kgs already allotted... What did Sunline carry when she won it?

She couldn't give More Joyous 5-7 kgs and beat her...

I'm hearing ya Nudgey...full steam ahead for the JOYOUS train chooo choooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

As you know HM Sunline won the Doncaster twice (1999 as a 3yo & 2002)..........her 2002 win came after she won the Coolmore Classic for the 2nd time with 60kg............in the Donny she carried 58kg and defeated Shogun Lodge(58kg), and broke his heart.........with Defier 3rd under 51.5kg. She then went on to win the wfa All Aged Stakes by 6Lengths..............

Additional info:....

1999 Doncaster Hcp..Sunline won as a 3yo carrying 52kg. She beat another 3yo(c/g) called Lease who had 49.5kg.
2000 Donny..She carried 57.5kg when narrowly beaten by Over (3yo c/g) who carried 51.5kg
2001 Donny..Did not run
2002 Donny..As stated above she carried 58kg

To ask Tracy to carry 56.5kg is a bit much when you consider Sunline's record before she was asked to carry 57.5kg as a 4yo....

Thanks TT. That is a massive ask then... Gotta wonder if they'll even go that way now. 55-55.5kg to this point would have been fair and reasonable... They've really set her a task, that's for sure.

WHOBE out to 17-1 with IAS looks good. Denman at 13-1 will come in to what after saturday?

Heard Snowden say they had a couple of races in mind for Denman in Sydney, one of them being the All Aged and can't recall the other (but he didn't mention the Doncaster) so be wary...

Unusual Whobe yet to race and not nom'd for the weekend. They planning something further down the track? Blown like the wind since markets opened makes me think they might be setting him for something else...

Crikey all I need to do is back More Joyous and have her go to the Oaks then and i wont even have one to watch run around

Kav has said he is looking at the George Ryder and then the Donny second up with Whobe but he won't come at all if we have another wet carnival and he will just go straight to Brisbane. And of course it has been raining here all week!

of course its been bloody raining SEVE... have been on holidays since MONDAY!!!!!!!!!!! crap crap crap!! No way will WHOBE miss the donny lads... if its flooding he will swim him over... he will win it too!!

no way kav will run him through the bog again, it took it out of him...he's a deadset potential "champ" but not in the mud...bring him to brissie!!!

if denman runs in this im pretty sure he will win !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,i reckon they should let him finally take on the big boys ,a little freshen would do the trick nicely ,missing last week i think was a blessing in disguise , and personally whobe can not win the doncaster mile ,it will not suit i say lay him for everything you got..thats if he makes it to randwick

Wonder if Triple Honour is headed to Donny

Pretty sure that's the plan Judaman...

Now i just have to cheer for Bart to take Rock Classic to the Doncaster refer to my comments in Feb take the $330 for it

From $330 into $21 , Hoping heads that way backed it at $150 for the guineas, $330 for Doncaster and took it in a double to win both at $2468/1 ( took it at $41 for Guineas and $301 for Doncaster Shame the TAB halved the odds)

Your a freak BestSelections Good luck. Hope it goes to the Donny

that is a great pull BESTY... good luck mate was certainly a standout performance of the day.

thanks alot besty... I didnt know what to back but you had said you were a fan of the horse and I had a go and he won brilliantly

Thanks all can only hope it goes that way ,if not happy with the guineas win as just kept backing it before each run leading up to the guineas from start to finish so a good result

There goes the chance at $26k Rock Classic will be aimed at the Derby and not the Doncaster

sorry BESTY... the perils of ALLIN huh...

Yeh the good old ALLIN

Geez Besty, after seeing Rock Classics run in the Derby you'd be filthy with Bart! I think now might be the time to pounce on the $13 and $4 place (especially) for Palacio. Sunny weather forecast right up to Saturday. Might be lucky to get $2.50 the place on the day.

Very flithy they went for the Derby speaking to few trainers yesterday they where saying the same thing should of gone to the doncaster

Well i know Moody was worried about the 3yo's and I think Rock Kingdom and Shoot out being MIA made the decision an easy one for TT.

I'm tipping Moody is not too worried about any other horses when it comes to Typhoon Tracy

Surely the only two in the race are TT or Danleigh... back both and I doubt you could go wrong.

It's TT and Danleigh for sure but I'm going to "do a Chill" and say Brilliant Light could be a threat on Saturday's run and have something on Snapy Halo, not a bad run in the Prelude.

It's a different kettle of fish between G1 WFA and a G3 prelude... TT and Danleigh have a massive class edge on the field and wouldn't surprise me to see them put 4 or 5l on the 3rd placed horse... which could well be Brilliant Light.... hope the owners took e/w when they got 400/1!

Agree with Seve, TT and Danleigh have the runs on the board where the others are 'improving types' or 'potentially good horses' etc. I honestly think it's a two horse race now with about 5 or 6 battling for third but I'll be very very very surprised if Danleigh or TT don't win. Even Rangi I think is just out of their league at the moment and TT may well be in a league above Danleigh again.

i'm with HM re: PALACIO... if we have a dry track she has to be in it up to her ears with only 51kg on her back... she was only 4L off Danleigh in the George Ryder on a slow track with 2kg weight relief, she will have an extra 4kg here... anyone know the record of the top weights in this?

Im about to throw in a spanner for your ideal DONNY double hit... there is a kiwi coming over who has to carry the ALLIN CHILLI curse on his back admittedly... but i unloaded a bit at 26s and also got him in a $50 e/w double with shoot out at 208-1 as well as into SHOOT OUT, FAINT PERFUME and MOATIZE all e/w at 7488-1. Now that he is into 15s from 26s its time to tell you why...
He broke his maiden status this time last year 2009.... first up over a mile thank you. He then progressed to a 0-70 over the mile where he threw the race away by running all over the show... he then raced again at the 0-70 winning by 3.5L hands and heels after a 60 day freshen up.... impressive effort... after a 30 day freshen up he raced again over a mile in 0-80 and won untouched... 35 day freshen (we are now in OCTOBER) raced in a 0-90 and out a handy field of older tough gallopers to sleep at the 200m... 28 days later he won the REDCRAZE BOWL (open class over 1400m) on a slow track by 4.5L... untouched as an unbackable favourite! 11 days later he won the G2 BAKERIES MILE beating the very impressive genuine G1 gelding TELL A TALE by striding forward from midfield at the 400m mark and hands and heels to the line. So to summarise this prep he has gone from a maiden in APRIL over a mile to a G2 in NOV over a mile... all on 30 day freshen ups absically.. his record (ignoring his first two career starts when typically montjeu wasnt ready to race 2008.. funnily enough he debuted at 60-1 and threw it away at the 200m... stable OUCH) 7 starts 6 wins 1 2nd (threw it away)... his record over the mile 6 starts 5 wins 1 2nd.
In his current prep he resumed in the G1 TELEGRAPH over 1200m which incidentally was the first time he had been over even money fave since his maiden win. Hooked back from the wide draw and at the 500m mark you wanted to put your house on him... struck trouble at the 400m, nearly fell, balanced again and ran home from last on the turn to within 5.5L of the winner (which was a huge run as well) and 3L behind the 3rd horse... 2nd up he tackled the THORNDON MILE (55kgs) off a 7 day backup... making his trademark surge at the 600m coming from 12th to midfield on the turn to hold off the charging LORD TAVISTOCK (subsequent G1 WAIKATO SPRINT and G2 BLAMEY winner).
3rd up off a 4 week break he tackled the G1 FAIRDALE CLASSIC MILE at WFA as unbackable short priced fave... forget he went around as he raced fiercely and was more forward in the run than ever before due to farcical pace.
4th up he dropped to a G3 mile and won accordingly making his run early and forging to the lead and holding them out winning by 1.3L after looking a sitting duck.
Record since maiden win now reads. 11s- 8w- 1sec. Mile record reads..9s- 7w-1 sec. G1 winner, G2 winner, G3 winner over the mile.
There is only showers forecast for the FRIDAY so i daresay we are looking at a GOOD track otherwise i would declare him a morale in the soft... as it stands not as suited on the firmer surface but with 53kgs you cannot ignore this bloke as a genuine contender.. TT 56.5kgs... DANLEIGH 57kgs. Look out!

Convincing argument Chilli, i like it! has looked a potential Superstar from day one, there was NZer that won the Thordon in 08, that in my opinion had we got a good/dead track and had it not drawn 18 would have gone very close in the donny last year, it's effort to run 3ls back was massive.

Wall Street in this up to it's eyes IMO, i love that fact their are some real genuine milers in it this year.

It's a very good record Chilli but I still think it's barely comparable to Danleigh and TT. I just think some people might be over thinking this a bit like some did in the George Ryder. Make no mistake, Danleigh was going well away from them on the line in the Ryder and TT is just TT. I sometimes question the NZ sprinter mile form coming over here as I don't think they have much depth in that area and a horse like Danleigh has beaten very good horses over here in the last 12 or so months.

On wet track though, if it's Good Danleighs a 5lengths worse horse

I don't care where TYPHOON TRACY draws she's so versatile, she can win off a slow speed, she blows them away when they go hard running outstanding overall time, she excels on a firm surface and has the polish of the great jockey / trainer combination. She is also a princess on raceday she doesn't get too worked up and loves the challenge and she's a fighter. She has all the characteristics of a champion and will show this come this saturday. She will win

I can't even believe you can put DANLEIGH in the same breath....DANLEIGH needs the speed on to even be any chance of running a place and can't beat TYPHOON TRACY under any circumstances. Fast tempo, slow tempo, wet track she just isn't in the same class and this is shown in it's figures (sectionals and overall time)

if TRACEY wins this with 56.5kgs PLUGGA she is the best horse in AUSTRALASIA no doubt in my mind at all... can see why you would want to back it but i balk at taking 3s about a highly weighted girl in an open handicap facing by far her toughest test... in saying that would i blink if she won by 4lengths.... nope. WALL STREETS record is as perfect as you could possibly get for a horse coming over from NZ with 53kgs over the mile. Not just that but his racing pattern is to hang back and push forward midrace and then mantain a strong sprinting finish... exactly what you want in a DONNY.

I think Snapy halo is about primed to push for a place. Really good run the other day. I backed Danleigh last time but think it will be a funny old race. Not funny haha!!

Many more leader onpacers have won the DONCASTER chilli so i am not sure why you would want to hang back..make a sustained run and finish strong especially against an onpacer like TYPHOON TRACY
She's been heavily backed since she was confirmed to run in last week...she opened at $4.80 and i backed her at $4.40. The barrier draw will not make any big difference to her.

Bit of spare time on your hands Chilli?? Now that was an essay! Good reading though!

was meaning to inform you earlier mate lol... i start that suitcase full of cash thing on MONDAY so my last chance to retire a wealthy fat unworking man hinges on WALL STREET, FAINT PERFUME and MOATIZE.. if that fails i will become a shadow of my former flamboyant self ; )
P.s you can still get 19s and into the 20s in places other than SPORTSBET who are absolutely packing themselves in what may well be my last irresponsible punting act.

that barrier draw could NOT have worked out better for my kiwi mate... draws the 7 whilst TT draws 14, DANL 15, THESE 17, MIGHTY FISH 18 and even better PALACIO the 3 marble... im ecstatic!!

Do people pay you guys for these tips?!?

Firstly, 4YO's have a shocking record in this race having won only 1 of 18 events. Beaten 4YO favourites include Apache Cat, Lohnro, Sunline.
Secondly, wide barriers are not a disadvantage in this race with runners drawn barriers 9 or wider winning 14 of 18 events.
Lastly, Sydney based horses have dominated this race with only 1 winner coming from Victoria.

Personally, I think TT will do it tough against this stronger field with 56.5kg. At $2.90 she is very short.

I like Rangirangdoo & Danleigh are the ones to beat here. Mentality is a good roughie for the multiples as he seems to love the randwick mile.

No one pays me for my tips lightred. And just be interested to know how many horses have come into this having won 4 group 1s in their last 4 starts? She is short because she should be short! You'd be mad to have her above $3, on form one can't really pick against her...

Danleigh is one of my favourite horses and I think he's a beauty but the fact of the matter is, unless the track is slow, which seems highly highly unlikely then he is highly unlikely to beat TT home. He's a great horse but he needs some give to be at his very best which he will need to be. Rangi is a very consistent type but is still yet to win at this level and he's not in TT's class. Theseo will find it very difficult coming back to 1600 from the wide barrier I think and Palacio needed to draw wider than 3 I reckon.

Tyhpoon Tracy is a great horse, she does have awesome acceleration so she will look the winner at some stage & it wouldn't shock me if she did win.

However, if you look at her last 4 starts, two were against mares only, not to mention the last race where the field was terrible. Just looking at her formline, her weight, never running at randwick & I think there are a few question marks for a $2.90 favourite.

Agree that Theseo will find it difficult coming back to 1600m. Theseo and TT should give them something to chase home down the straight that's for sure.

WALL STREET draws the 7 and blows out to 21!!! They are just trying to get more of my not- so -hard -earnt arent they..... well they got it baby... silly chilli lining up for another dip!!!

Doesn't surprise me 4YO's have won 1/18. The Doncaster has always been a 3YO's paradise! In the last 10 runnings, look at how many times a 3YO has won it - 2008 (Triple Honour), 2007 (Haradasun), 2006 (Racing To Win), 2001 (Assertive Lad), 2000 (Over), 1999 (Sunline), (and should also have been Whobegotyou last year!). So it's misleading to suggest TT won't win especially in a year where no 3YO's are engaged. No need to overthink this. She won't be beaten.

And she's the only potential CHAMPION in this race, $2.90 is definately too short but $4.80 was available and considering how versatile she is, too me the barrier draw didn't matter and look she hasn't blown out because of it has she...

BTW chilli please use paragraphs mate i can barely see after reading your posts lol

Hope nobody buys your tips lightred.............last post I could find of yours was in October 2008 when you tipped Vormista in the Schweppes Stakes.............she ran 2nd last..........Lol!!!

Just to show I'm fair............you also spruiked Baughurst in the Cathay Pacific and he finished a close 2nd to Gallopin...............

In other words.............you get some right (nearly).........and you get some wrong.............just like the rest of us............good punting.......:-)

Hi toptipster, I haven't been online for a long time so I thought I would check in & read up on the big race. My comment was a reaction to all the dribble that gets posted on here.

Who do you like in the donnie?

Whatashotbyseve - RANGIRANGDOO will smash TT

Not unless he has had a heart transplant since the Ranvet!

I don't understand what you mean.

He has been freshened & drops 3.5kgs off that half head 2nd to Theseo.

1200M Good3 (SCHWEPPES G2) No age restriction WFA $201,000 Damien Oliver (6) 56.5 Rtg:100 1st LUCKY SECRET 58.5: 2nd BEL MER 56.5: 1-9.90, Margin 6.8L 10th at 800m, 9th at 400m, Betting $7/$8.50. Post Race Vet Exam revealed the mare to be sore across the hind quarters and had a delayed recovery.

Obviously something was wrong with Vormista that day.

Betfair offering $3.50 for Typhoon Tracey fans.

Have snapped up the $3.50 available after taking $4.20 last week......I'm betting this week to get a bank to just smash her again. She's a superstar who will show her knockers how stupid they were in backing something to beat her (even though I have saved on Rangi and Palacio)

Why is Miss Marielle 100/1 ($25 for a place) sounds good to me.

why do people feel like they need to drag down other peoples opinions instead of simply providing an alternative opinion and at very least respecting others... fancy using the word dribble... i thought we were done with all the wallies and only the positively constructive and respectful people remained alive to bounce our altering perspectives off each other. What a shame..
Im going to disagree with you PLUGGA. I think there is another potential champion and just because he is from NZ doesnt mean you cant respect how quickly he has gained momentum in his career. If he was in AUS we would be lauding him as a superstar. LORD TAVISTOCK has franked the form and I cant wait to see this bloke travel up to them at the 300m.. after that its it gonna get interesting to see if what happens.

lightred.............the Mighty Mare will show that she is a genuine Champion by winning the Donny easily..........got $4.20 Betfair last week so I'm happy...............

nicki.......she's unders for mine going on her last 3 runs............

chilli..............agree with your comments about people coming on this site and disparaging other contributors..............However I completely disagree with your assessment that Wall Street is a potential champion. He'll need to sleep for a week after running in the Donny against the Mighty Mare....Lol!!!!

Did somebody bring back Peter Griffen? Keep those posts coming hot chilli...great essay.

Gee there is some fire in the belly here, wow! The thing that will bring Typhoon Tracy unstuck is her prep... she hasnt been set for this race, her aim was Melbourne and then overseas but then a change of heart sees her in Sydney and yes, she won well in the QOTT, but against what? Different kettle of fish here and I think she is the lay of the day

toptipster i agree on last 3 runs but i beleive it will be a good track and Miss Marielle 4th start from a spell on a good track with a better than average barrier looks like a positive for me mainly the $25
for a place my quinella will be TT & MM .
Good luck.

Chilli I am sorry if I upset you. You are right - this is a place where we should just talk about racing & not put people down. At the end of the day, any horse could win any race so no tip is silly.

Anyway back to the topic. What do you guys think of mentality with only 51.5kg on his back! A horse that relishes the mile at randwick. I think he is one of the better outside chances along with centenial park.

Don't know what to make of Mentality lightred.............his last run was his best since Sept 08...........not sure he can repeat that effort, which he would need to do in order to beat the Mighty Mare........... too much of a query for me..............

Centennial Park has never won beyond 1400m and had to pull out a PB to get close to Brilliant Light..........who then improved his rating by 1.5kg next start over 1600m...........so BL got CP well and truly covered.........good luck

I dont think the horses know what there paying so they shouldnt care, it is only i the greedy punter that cares about price. So read the posts go with what you like at the price you like and wait and see, i like when chilli is confident about something so he has persuaded me into some of the 20's on offer but my heart says TT is something special and i wouldnt mind if she wins. Good luck

Yeah Chilli has a (bad) habit of talking us into things podo...ha ha...again I find myself maybe thinking a little save couldn't hurt but I just think TT will be too good here. I seem to recall she won the Coolmore last year from about barrier 15...different race and field but I don't think it'll be a problem. I admit there are a few queries on her here but she has done everything asked of her to this point and then some and had she not been set for the Plate last year could well be undefeated. I'll be surprised if she doesn't win, the trifecta however is far more interesting...I suspect it'll pay quite well even if the fav wins becoz there's bound to be atleast one run a place at big odds...

well chilli has talked me into backing Wall street.. but only for the place...Like everyone else i cant see TT being beaten.. but i do have funny gut feeling about the fish so i have had an EW on him. Looking forward to watching the race saturday...good luck to everyone.

its only when you blokes listen that i get creamed LOL

BTW does anyone else think the MIGHT FISH is massive overs? Choked down last start so can easily excuse and it was a completely out of character run... 26s is crazy.

What about Rostova chilli that was my greatest day ever. dont sell yourself short your a freak

mighty fish on pain killers

Think you will get 30+ on Black Pirahna come Saturday. I'm not sure it can win.
Very tough race for mine. Looking for something to Lay in my view Danleigh is to short at the moment at 7.20. A bit higher than I like to lay at, so I may look to the Place.
My thoughts are around Rangirangdoo, Typhoon Tracy, Road to Rock(even though I dont like this horse) .
Others I am considering for Multi bets Mentality(when was last time it had 51.5kg!!??) and Allez Wonder wont suprise me to turn its last start around.
I like Typhoon Tracey, but I'm not conviced its a special at Randwick 1600m with 57kg.
We shall see come Saturday! Good luck all

do you think all the stuff thats going on with gai wanting nash to ride theseo will effect him?? surely he gets a say and if he wants to ride theseo then waller should let him if not then gai should stop before she goes to supreme court

Gai is a dumb b*tch & I hope she loses that court battle. Theseo shouldn't be in this race & Nash should honour his commitment to Waller.

Just my 2 cents.

for mine TT massive risk ...way unders ....I will be laying TT FOR plenty if she stays that low and if people want to take those odds they can take them all day from me ,like the value of a few here for nice dutch proposition ,triple honour,black piranha,palacio de cristal,snapy halo ....all for mine good eachway value chances....the other 2 i want are rangi and danleigh but only if i can get a bit better odds say around $8,looks like some good value around thanks to TT

tenchy, I think Nash did ring up Waller and ask if he could get off Rangi when Gai confirmed Theseo would run but Waller said no, which in my opinion is fair enough, as Waller said "I've gotta look after my owners". Gai needs to let it go in my opinion, she can't expect Nash to wait around until less than a week before a race like the Doncaster to see if Theseo will run!

Read in the paper today he said it's not ideal prep for him. If I was hm I'd wanna be on rangi better chance than theseo, Waller has shinn on standby... There's a story there shinn who was let go by gais stable takes Nashs ride on rangi and gets up. Lol

i'll tell ya something for nothing... WALLER ring DARREN GOD BEADMAN this freakin second.. bump NASH to THESEO ... BEADMAN seems such a better fit for the horse... 2-3 lengths off the speed and there is none better than BEADMAN when the go button needs to be pushed.

I agree mate, I would love to see beadman on it instead of having all these dramas but I think it is all sorted now & Nash is riding. I have loaded up on Rangi so I hope the preperation hasn't put them off.

I still can't believe Gai Waterhouse. Can't stand her.

lol... i like her tenacity... she has made it what was almost wholly a mans world... gotta respect that and i really dont think she made it that far by accepting other peoples opinions or letting someone tell her what or how to do something. Gotta love GAI mate!!

Theseo way overs at 19/1

noticed DEANJOHN reported under general that Beadman is coming to ride THESEO? Hope they get him to ride Mirrasalo too!! ;)

as it turns out now... NASH was the one dead keen for the THESEO mount and GAI was convinced to do everything she could not just for the owners of THESEO but also for NASH... funny how the media (yep you richard "kids will eat chicken tonight" callender) hypes thigns up without an ounce of research.

haha i know he can be an idiot at times but i dont mind callender he is a character.... Now you say that chilli would that change your mind if you were going to add rangi in your multiples... if a jockey doesnt want to ride rangi and wants to be on theseo? you'd think rangi would be more of a chance than theseo

i would think so yes mate... nash just loves Theseo though and what he tells GAI may be a completely different thing to what he is truly thinking... id say secretly he is pretty happy with the way its all ended up but no way would he admit that to the queen of the turf.

Where did you hear that Chilli?

I think you are right chilli, Nash probably didn't want to upset the boss + I am sure he loves the horse. I just hope he gives Rangi a good ride tomorrow.

both GAI and NASH came out and said that if NASH didnt want the ride they never wouldve taken it so far...

ok,10 minutes away... Rangirangdoo or Wall Street.. Laying Typhoon Tracy big time here... Not good enough to win here

Leeroy, let me know when you're ready to buy! 2 X $50 tips, thank you very much!

Bang, Bang... and BANG! Typhoon Tracy... that proves she is a classy mare, nothing else

Backed Rangi and Road to Rock. I am f**king furios sportsbet website went down. would have got first4. Had tri with only 10 combos. Had to put it in via betfair tote. unbelieveable

Bit quiet in here!

loaded up on RANGI once i realised how bad the surface was chopping up........it has been said that it takes an absolute champion mare to win the doncaster.......TYPHOON TRACY is a very talented sprinter miler and she has won 5 group ones this prep so id say she has lost no supporters

I know Sinestro, very quiet. Will I get those eggs by mail Plugger?

Oliver weighed in 1.3KG over. great! could have been a massive difference to me. Trifecta would have been 10K+ plus had it at 30's for a fair bit

yeah RANGI really deserved this one... very similar to WANTED before he broke through int he NEWMARKET wasnt it... cant deny him this at all. Everything was perfect for WALL STREET... constant stream of money... confidence high but he sweated up badly before the barriers and never looked comfortable being inside other horses... when OPIE popped the question he was still trying to get on the outside of them to make his run.... i strongly feel this is one that he couldve won if everything was right... the one that got away from chilli in my book.

My next bet should be: how long will it take Leeroy to cough up? Anyone want to frame a market on that for me?

Sinestro I know you're only new here, so i'll give you some advice. Don't bet with Leeroy. He's a scammer from way back.

Well Seve, you'd have to concour Brilliant Light's run did make the Prelude form good form.He should have won it.

3 weeks for coming in 1.3kg over in a Donny? Another jock gets fined $1000 for breaking the whip rules a couple of weeks earlier? It's all a bit soft I reckon.

Not talking through my pocket either. I only heard 2 things in the run - when Shean called my horse missing the start and then a loud "pop" at the 300m mark.

I had a feeling Leeroy would pike out. Another air raider on this site who talks big but is really a $5 punter. A real punter would have paid up by now.

From the Inglis Queen Of The Turf Stakes Thread:

Sinestro wrote Apr 5 at 4:41pm2010-04-05 06:41:22

I'm willing to have a side bet that Palacio beats Typhoon home in the Donny Leeroy, providing they both start. Are you up for it?

Sinestro wrote Apr 5 at 4:41pm2010-04-05 06:41:53

Or Rangi V TT if you like. Or Both?

Leeroy wrote Apr 5 at 5:23pm2010-04-05 07:23:07

I'm in and I'll take both for the same amount so let me know what you are comfortable with

Sinestro wrote Apr 5 at 5:24pm2010-04-05 07:24:31

Let's make them the price of $50 tips.

WTF was Wells thinking taking PALACIO along the rails?! surely the better going would have been off it?

I lost a bit of money on the race but it was great to see Rangi win, would've only been better if TT could have won really

Rangi was a good thing. I am so happy I loaded up on him. BOOOM!

As expected, Typhoon Tracy wasn't good enough and certainly did not deserve to be $2.90.

Nash Rawiller in the interview with Claire Bird only moments after he passed the post said, "I really knew this was his race and I chased the ride....................."

I knew Leeroy was gone as soon as I read this:

Leeroy commented on doncaster handicap2d 15h ago

"Have snapped up the $3.50 available after taking $4.20 last week......I'm betting this week to get a bank to just smash her again. "

Hardly the actions of a sensible punter, nor a punter with any money. FFS. He's obviously taken the bet with me thinking he couldn't lose, and now that he has, he can't pay and he's gone underground. Can't wait for the excuses to start if and when he surfaces. Should be priceless. This bet has been worth exposing him as the pretender he is. What was he going to smash TT with? Nothing. No one with a proper punting bank thinks like that, and he's made it clear he didn't have one of those. Only desperates think like that. Ridiculous.

Smashed it with a foam mallett.

Plenty of sh*t talk before the race.... Now all the champion tipsters are a bit quiet.

It's like a playground isn't it? Plenty of bravado until someone cops one on the chin. Surely $100 is loose change to a bloke who 'smashes' horses on a regular basis.

Just back from a couple of days away that I needed to recover from Tracy's abysmal run in the Donny.........I thought she was a certainty and bet up accordingly...........well done to all those who Laid her or bet against her.

lightred.........not "sh*t talk"......nor "champion tipsters"...........just opinions shared by countless other punters around the country..........that's what this site is all about after all........... And remember, what goes around comes around buddy.......good punting.

If there are some Tracy fans out there, I wouldn't drop off the mare on one run. It was a tough race, they don't give away Doncaster's. It's like taking on a pack of bulldogs, a real battle. She'll win more races no doubt. Moody has shown he can pick his targets and she is undoubtedly talented.

Full credit to the winner and to the runner up. Interesting to see what difference people think the 1.3kg made.....did it cost the runner up the race? The way Nash had to carry Rangi from the 100m mark, I reckon quite a few would say yes.

i think the fact TT wasnt set for the race also didnt help her... it was an afterthought from moody wasnt it??

What also didn't help was the virus around the stable during the week, and being galloped on.

And she was nobbled by George Freeman...

I'm not sure that could be quite right. I believe George was out of the country.

it's easy to say after the fact I know... so maybe I should just shut up now... but surely this was one of the easiest Doncasters in the last few years to tip the winner.... IMO there was only 3 or 4 real winning hopes, Tracey did exactly what I suspected which was look like the winner at one stage then get overwhelmed by a wall of horses, Danliegh would surely get too far back and wasn't soft enough for him and Rangi would be right up there in position ready to pounce making his own luck with the master Nash aboard, I couldn't believe the $7.50s on race day and dived into it.... I did actually put in tips that day too as proof to my claims, so glad Rangi finally shows what he is really made of and I almost sacked him after the Theseo defeats! woo hoo Go Rangi!

Yes.............we all picked the winner after the race..........easy as!!!!!!!!

Didn't xxMETxx just tell us he picked it before the race, and tipped it?

You know how it works TT........much easier to pick the winner after it ran than to own, train, or ride the winner!

I got out ok. Layed the fave, small bet on Palacio ew (missed the start, who saw that coming?) and a tiny little sneaky ew bet on Drumbeats. I wish it had run 3rd.

Wish I'd got out ok. Had my life savings on TT thanks to the blokes on this site.

My comment was not meant as a negative reflection on MET or his post Sinestro......just a comment on how difficult this game is.........good on him I say.........:-)

I had my chance to get out as well dr.whiz........backed Tracy at $4.20..........could have laid her at about $3.00 from memory.........but let it ride.........into oblivion!!!.....:-(

like i said check my tips picked it before the race ;)