Patinack Farm Chipping Norton Stakes (Warwick Farm R6)

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theseo is one of my favs race horses but i like rangi for this race and road to rock

If the rains were to come V&P And Purple would both be right in it.

13's for Road To Rock is too good to pass up. Real eye catcher first up at Caulfield and he is working very nicely apparently. Mentality... what the??? couldnt even beat a bunch of E-graders at Caulfield. This is a great race. at least 8,9 winning chances

with rain pending ,SG will be a matter of the more you put on the more you get back and put V&P in for the quin.

Speed Gifted (or Vision and Power for that matter) couldn't get within 4l of Rangi or Danleigh surely? Both handle the wet fine! With Brown unable to slaughter Rangi from Dubai surely he wins this, Hughie on Danleigh concerns me though as he is the only jockey in Sydney who gets the absolute best out of his mounts all the time.

what are we betting on jockey's or horses?????

Good jockey on an inferior horse will always triumph on an inferior jockey on a good horse. I won't back any horse that doesn't have a capable jockey on it - ie no Shinn or Brown. Melbourne they are all generally ok but only Rodd is what I would classify as a champion jockey. Sure Oliver and Boss have won more races but Rodd is a better jockey than them combined. Look at his ride on Outlandish Lad today for a reference point - masterful.

rrdo will bounce back

C.Small on Vo Rouge .there was plenty of good jockeys behind him. don't agree Rodd v Oliver/Boss (the CP stealer)

I'd take a good horse over a good jockey every time.

RANGIRANGDOO is clearly the one to beat and a good bet at short odds in this. His sectionals from last start were outstanding and the only way he get's beat here is by a bad ride...again, or he breaks his leg.

Agreed,RDOO is one of the best horses going around atm IMO.

Palacio de Cristal i like will be following most of Carnival only down side is Warrick Farm and barrier 1

tricky barrier 1 isnt it BS? you want to back her cos you know she is flying and theyve posted big odds again... you know there will be speed here and ya know she will relish the mile... barrier 1!!! mmm... have seen her from that barrier before and deadset she looked like she had turbos on but had nowhere to go... late split through the guts anyone?

many options i think. ive always liked rock kingdom. im going to go out on a limb and say alcopop as an outsider :P

I will be laying DANLEIGH for an absolute fortune at that price...and even more....given that all the on pace speed horses are where ??? not in this race like last start.
It's my wait for it..............LAY OF THE YEAR !!!!!!

theres speed here PLUGGA... i agree with your lay though... dont like it over the mile!

I think the winner is between 5, 7 or 11 if slow+

THESEO had a tough run and mite need one more but i think he is the one that is open to improvement........mite prove very hard to get past

Don't think much of your maths Plugger.........but totally agree with your reasoning.........Lol!!

Also note the straight at Warwick farm is only 326 metres long
Rosehill's straight is 408 meters long. So 82 metres less....So even if they do run the tempo like last start what hope has DANLEIGH got of catching RANGIRANGIRANGIRANGIDOOOO.....None
THESEO may lead and run a bold second or third....still can't believe DANLEIGH'S at that price...i am going to have a picnic.

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Which one!!!!............Lol

Roman Emperor good e/w bet.

Danleigh for back to back wins with Bowman still on board. Rangirangdoo for 2nd, Clarke may prove the difference, we will see. Theseo 2nd up for 3rd and im putting in Mentality for 4th. My biggest danger, Palacio De Cristal who is way over the odds.

Don't discount Speed Gifted who has won first up both starts since being imported. Excellent ew value.

keep it quiet Cracka , these sydneysiders are rapt up in their own donkeys

i know you have a soft spot for him CRACKA and i seriously know what thats like but cant have him at WFA... wait for a handicap i reckon... still there is a lot of unanswered questions about him and he may well surprise... just thought LEE would be happy to run a good closing 6th in this for the future.

PALACIO DE CRYSTAL can't win this....it unders not overs.

geez there are some big odds about genuine WFA here... V&P and ROAD TO ROCK very backable

Road To Rock is awfully appealing chilli. I think he is one of the better bets of the day at Sydney tomorrow based on that first up run

WEll after reading this I will take a tri with PDC to win from3/4/7/5 ..RTR at a great price and Chilli due for a change of luck.for the win.

Wow Theseo proven WFA at how much ???

Agree with a lot of stuff here. RANGI is the class horse and deserved fav where as DANLEIGH does look massive unders but a rule of mine is to never lay Hugh Bowman! Agree Nudge/Chilli ROAD TO ROCK is the best value in this race. He flies 2nd up. Im not sure about him on a wet track but I'm happy to play at 13's

agreed road to rock is the way to go but don't discount danleigh, he's a very good horse and will be strong to the line. if the pace is slow he won't need to drop right out, he will sit just off them and unleash his run...still like road to rock tho on his first up run and second up form

With the scratching of Mentality and the track downgrade, the wet tracker Vision And Power goes in for 4th.My numbers 2,5,1,4.

Gutsy win Theseo

Never again on Rangi. I forgave him the Epsom leadup, I forgave him the Epsom, I forgave the Apollo, but not this. Had every possible chance. Has all the ability in the world but just has no heart. Got what he deserved.

Theso is a good horse mate and Had Martin gone the other side of him i reckon Rangi would of won.

He had no excuses. Every start these days he just looms up and gets beaten a nose. He might win again but the won't be carrying my cash.

Did anything win today coming up from the inside?

Strike One did, Dane Julia did, Elimbari made up lengths on Solar Charged in the exact same spot. He just has no heart.

I stand corrected about the inside, Think you're being overly harsh though i mean what happen first up this prep? no heart there? & The rest of the field are 2Ls back how much "heart" do they have?

They have less ability that Rangi and so were expected to finish down the track.

2-13 RAND
03-Oct-09 1600M Heavy (EPSOM G1) 3YO & Up Hcp 52.00 $353,500 ($66,500) Corey Brown (2) 54.0 52.00 Rtg:101 1st ROCK KINGDOM 54.0: 3rd ROAD TO ROCK 54.0: 1-38.65, Margin 0.1L 4th at 800m, 5th at 400m, Betting $3.3/$5/$4.80
2-9 RHIL
19-Sep-09 1500M Good (SHANNON G2) 3YO & Up Qlty 52.00 $151,150 ($30,000) Glyn Schofield (6) 54.0 52.00 1st DRUMBEATS 52.0: 3rd STRAT'S FLYER 57.0: 1-30.13, Margin 0.1L 6th at 800m, 6th at 400m, Betting /$2.90
2-11 W FM
06-Mar-10 1600M Slow (CH NORTON G1) 3YO & Up WFA $302,400 ($57,000) Tim Clark (6) 59.0 Rtg:112 1st THESEO 59.0: 3rd DANLEIGH 59.0: 1-37.45, Margin 0.1L 0th at 1200m, 0th at 800m, 0th at 600m, 0th at 400m, Betting /$2.70F
2-13 RHIL
20-Feb-10 1400M Good (APOLLO G2) 3YO & Up WFA $251,800 ($50,000) Corey Brown (1) 59.0 Rtg:110 1st DANLEIGH 59.0: 3rd PALACIO DE CRISTAL 57.0: 1-22.91, Margin 0.2L 4th at 800m, 4th at 400m, Betting /$2.40F

Look at those margins (all in the past 6 months)... he looms up and just offers nothing... I think WFA isn't his issue... he just needs a heart transplant!

Rangi just couldn't beat the superior WFA horse who has done it all before. Rangi will have his time i wouldn't jump off this one. Theseo great win, great heart, got great odds on friday. LOVE IT

So the Expressway was luck? Maybe he looms up and doesn't off because he should be leading or put further back? or maybe the lesser group races like the Expressway or Crystal Mile are his convincing winning level, i dunno just think its harsh to say he has no ticker, i mean i'd take a consistent group horse anyday especially one with a 50% or 1in2 career win record.

Look at the form out of the Crystal Mile. Rangi only need 3 legs to win that race. I was his biggest fan, but enough is enough. It's just too painful.

Gee I dunno what to make of Rangi's run. Was given a 12/10 ride by Timmy Clark, had the drop on Gai's horses, maybe did he go on the worse part of the track? Thats the only reason I can give to Rangi for losing that race. Top win by Theseo, great training effort by Gai. I have been knocking her for a month or two on here about how awful her horses are travelling but after today I have changed my mind. She has a stranglehold on the sydney autumn Carnival

I'm a fan of RDOO, but the ride on Theseo is full of merit. As most of Gai's horses, once again dictated the pace very well. IMO was the telling tale.

SPOT ON !! Nash is clearly the best jockey next to H BOWMAN / The rest.....

Couldn't agree more, M&P69. Rangi will win one soon. Great ride - excellent efforts by the first two home. 3rd & 4th had the best sectionals in the race.

Rangi should definitely have won yesterday.......had Theseo's measure and stopped trying once he got his head in front....don't think it's a "ticker" problem.......he just thought he'd done his job. Needs to be ridden with cover and then let loose about the 200m on a drier track.........top class horse and getting better all the time......

Ps: nothing wrong with either ride.......both excellent jockeys.....imo

Exactly right. Both excellent rides, but Nash judged the pace beautifully, and was duly rewarded. In saying that, they weren't loafing.

Gartman tips the Trifecta 1,5,2.

Gee thought Danleigh could easily have won this, Hugh Bowman a rare bad ride so much so that the stewards sat down and had a chat with him. Don't think the 1600 is any issue and I'll be backing him for the Donny, Waller is a very good trainer and Danleigh is a very good horse.
Theseo's effort outstanding, just so tough!

MOLANSKI pace/tempo !!! that's why no other reason

The best part about THESEO'S win was that he is only second up against fitter performed race horses.......RANGI had an extra couple under his belt and was rock hard and i thought should have gone straight past him.......i would be backing THESEO in everything he competes in this campaign!

danleigh was a moral beaten, no other horse mad any ground in the race, and he came from stone last made many lengths up, shocker of a ride by bowman. doncaster is his to loose that for sure.

For starters DANLEIGH was third to last for most of the race and PRIMA NOVA made considerably ground as well. DANLEIGH is the perfect type of horse to lay because he gets back and wins only when there is a fast tempo(like two starts ago) so for mine the only way he can win the doncaster is if it's run in break neck speed. Rangirangdoo was narrowly beaten in a Group 1 for the second time but on his figures he will be winning one very soon.

He'd better Plugga..............he owes me plenty!!!........