Cox Plate 2010

let me stoke the fire !
i don't believe that last years winner will win this year , most on this site will know my thought on last years Cox plate result.
there, the fire has been stoked.
the horses i do like are Metal Bender and Trusting.
Metal Bender missed last year with injury and had a good auturm/winter campaign ,so with that residue fitness i believe hes in for a good spring and 2000m is his distance.
Trusting ,i thought was the one most likely to become a good 2000m horse from last years 3yo's and the odds on offer are very tempting.

Take the $61 on offer for KUDAKULARI been told is better horse than SO YOU THINK

Jeez ! that's a big call BS considering the best rating Kudakulari has ever produced is 100. I'd be willing to stick my neck out and say that it won't even get close to what SYT has produced. Ever !!
I have backed LINTON at 40's on betfair - it's a superstar in the making.

Sorry make that 97 is it's best ever rating.

Whats your thoughts on More Joyous? Is being set for the race and the valley looks like it would suit. Put in a great trial and is currently $41

I think Shoot Out is a real chance of winning the big three. He will prove hard to beat in whatever he contests. More Joyous looks a really good chance as well Bretto. No weight, maybe a firm track? The only query is a jockey, because Nash knows her so well and she would carry 47.5kg. Bring on G Boss again!

I've had a go at a double Darinana caulfield cup into More Joyous cox plate. I waste alot of money putting heaps of these doubles on every year so I'm just going with one this year and crossing my fingers. More than likely another donation though lol.

Bretto her 3yo form and figures suggest she could be one of the best gallopers in australia but she has to prove she can get the distance first. 1600m is as far as she's been thus far but her breeding suggest's she will get it as her mum Sunday silence won an australian a.j.c oaks over 2400m.

Yeah I agree Plugger, and i have no doubt she will get the 2040m. Maybe even further next year. I just think for a horse so well performed and being set for the race $41 is great value. Only if she wins though :D

MJ is great value but I'm not making a tip until I see So You Think run first up, some of the reports going around about how this horse has come back I have heard have been really really really good plus he's got a handy trainer. Metal Bender I said would go close to winning the Plate last year but he obviously got injured and I really liked his Autumn campaign so I've had a little go at him all in but that'll be my only all in go.

MJ is definitely worth a dabble at those odds... Her win over 1600m (when everyone was questioning her at the trip) suggested she was looking for further. Looking forward to seeing how she's come back. Hopefully she's filled out a bit!

All reports are she has come back looking like a colt! She has broadened and strengthened right up and that was my only query about her in her previous preps! she is a strong front running mare and could do anything this prep.

Had a good win last weekend and chucked a nice bet (for me) on her while at the pub and she had gone out to $51 so I took another double with her and Dariana in the caulfield cup. God I love this time of year, cause in about 2 months time all my hopes will be shattered when all the pre post bets ive put on have been destroyed due to any 1 of 10000 reasons lol.

i dont normally look into the big 3 this early but i like the idea of taking the $16 on fixed or better elsewhere for typhoon tracy. in fact shes probably worth a big e/w with the $4.75 the place. after she wins saturday that price will be halved and it would take something very dramatic in the lead up for her price to get back out beyond $16. there is probly only going to be a couple of the other older horses that will firm up from now untill the cox ie. whobe, more joyous etc. and tracy will be beating them in the lead ups so no reason for her odds to blow back out. ive heard moody's trained her a little differently this time and has really strengthened her up so she can get out to the 2000m of the cox. she hasn't ran at the valley since her 3rd start as a 3yo and i reckon when she runs ther this prep she'l zip around the tight track and be very very hard to catch. the obvious unknown is which 3yo's are going to be in the race that are worth backing now before they perform in the lead up and including the guineas or whatever path they are taking and there odds tumble in, i would have a little on toorak toff $51 and star witness $61. the 3 of them into doubles with shoot out, moudre, linton, jessicabeel, chartreux and echoes of heaven for the caulfield and melb cups.

Typhoon Tracy isnt a 2000m horse, she is only a sprinter/miler. Plus, she hasnt taken on the best of the best and won yet. I have been talking her down for a long time because she hasnt stepped up to the plate. Sure, she has four-five group One's, but that was against fillies/mares. She has won two group one's in open company but the CF Orr was at 1400m, her pet distance, and the Futurity against real battlers. She should be winning a couple of races this prep, but she wont win the cox plate.

this may sound stupid but i agree with you both?
PREDATOR; i'd back her at 16s and lay her at 10s your right about her coming in after saturday.
Nudge; i agree with you she cannot win the Cox plate ,she's not good enough over the 2000m.
NOW the horse who has great form over 2000m and won 1st up on the weekend, which made my 36s and feature race doubles look real good, is METAL BENDER!! .his opening spring run was as good as any thing we have seen so far. his main aim is the CP. he won't run in the CC.

well i appreciate your response nudge but i am simply making an educated suggestion that backing her now along with the others i have mentioned may be a wise thing to do this early. you are saying a horse that is being specifically trained by the best trainer in the land to get the 2000m wont run it but i read above that you think a horse having a run every 2 weeks can win the big 3, and also give a chance to a mare that has only been running against 3yo's and is yet to race beyond a mile. and surround12 good luck with metal bender he's also a big show in anything as long as he stays sound

anybody see once were wild's last trial? I thought it was very good for a horse on track for some of the bigger races this spring.

Surround figures don't lie and SYT proved today that he could be a champion. His cox plate win was amazing with outstanding figures. I think we may have our new superstar.

I agree Pluggerduck.. the champ is back. I believe he will be the benchmark this spring, but I do think Shoot Out's run today was huge as well. Got to love this time of year.

$50 into ???

Very impressed with that run under that weight. She looks very good.

There was lots of improvement in SO YOU THINK from today. Nothing between it and SHOOT OUT all spring. SO YOU THINK looks a touch more 'brilliant'. How much for a High Chaparral these days?

sorry plugger but they do lie . lets take 2 examples
1 All American best rating over a mile was 114 a rating Whobe has never achieved. but who is the better horse with the better record LIE!
2 Manhatten Rain rating 114 in CP yet never won a race after the Sires as a 2yo, yet on his ratings you told me he would beat Shoot Out every time . now Shoot Out has won group races as a 2,3 & 4yo and i can't remember a good word your've said about him . why?, because he hasn't run good ratings. but which one would you want . LIE!
now are you saying that SYT could be a champion based on his rating of 116 in the CP when he had 49kg on his back and beat MR or his rating of 112 when beaten by All American, or his win in the Memsie where if the positions of runs were changed ,so could've been the result ?
i'm glad he's come back good enough to race and win against the best around ,but champion? along way to go yet.
bring on spring racing.

Trusting, can't wait for him to race in Victoria. Very nice return yesterday.

They won't get near So You Think. He is a superstar. He will win everything he races in this prep. I hope Bart runs him in the cup

Surround you have already been proven wrong. This horse is a superstar and will make it back to back cox plates this year.

Heslightning So You Think wont run 2 miles and theres no way bart would put him in it

Caviar, why wont So Ypu THink run 2 miles?

Caviar that's what everyone said about Saintly. What makes you so confident he won't run 2miles? If Bart thinks he can stay the trip he will race him. Dato isn't like most owners. He would rather race them then play it safe for a stud career.

Surround, So You Think actually doesn't have that far to go to be considered a champion...look at his stats. He's the best horse in the country and I still can't believe they were offering $7 when they jumped on Saturday. I know I'm being a bit harsh but still not sold on Shoot Out and still question the trainer to be honest. Wallace declared he would win the CP after his last win then he has one race against two of the better Cox Plate fancies and he was never going to beat them, I know he had a hardish run but Whobe, SYT and Metal Bender have all impressed me more than Shoot Out from a Cox Plate perspective. Also still have serious queries as to why Shoot Out came back so early, by my reckoning the CP will be his seventh run in this campaign? Nah, too many for mine. Whobe, SYT, MJ and Metal Bender are the ones right now.

So You Think is too brilliant to be a Melbourne Cup horse he gets up on the pace and runs it hard, he will be a Sunline type of horse and a WFA champion but wont win a melbourne cup, he wont even start in a melbourne cup i dont think. I would love to be proved wrong but im sure i wont be, he wont run 2 miles

I wouldn't expect him to go to the MC either, but you never know. He could be the next Might And Power?

Forget Typhoon tracy went around because she would of beat them sat on a good track given the easy tempo she was presented with up front, she clearly doesn't like wet tracks - yes she won at rosehill on a slow track but it was a different class sat, I'll wait till she hit's a firm track to make another judgement.

The race was run in 1:26.68 which was comparable to races 1 (1:26.73) and race 2 (1:26.51), the difference being the finishing sectionals. The winner So You Think got home in 11.71, 11.07, 11.77, Whobegotyou in 11.74, 10.95, 11.79 and Shootout 11.87, 11.23, 11.56. Not sure how stathi got Shoot out wide for so long in a slowly run race but i suggest he would of won with a better ride after analysing the sectionals. It lost the race between the 800 and the 600. Fantastic effort from SYT considering he was first up for over nine months on a track he was not all that comfortable on but was given every chance to win given the slow early tempo and the position he was in. Still great effort and remember that Shoot out had residual fitness over the other three placegetters, but on that run he looks awfully hard to beat in anything he contest, i just hope they keep arnold on him and keep riding him forward.

True Plugger, Nolen was very happy with TT run. She would have blown out a few cobwebs and will be better for the run as she progresses through her prep.

Bretto
wrote Aug 23 at 7:06pm2010-08-23 09:06:03

anybody see once were wild's last trial? I thought it was very good for a horse on track for some of the bigger races this spring.

Already had a nibble at Once Were Wild on betfair for Cox Plate. Picked up 80s and 60s.

sorry plugger but they do lie . lets take 2 examples
1 All American best rating over a mile was 114 a rating Whobe has never achieved. but who is the better horse with the better record LIE!

Surround - No doubt WBGY is the better horse but it hasn't produced a better rating through speed than All american when it won the emirates. That run was a rating of 115, and the fact that All American ran these figures is a timely reminder of the great uncertainty in horse racing as he had never been remotely close to those figures before and after 22 starts could hardly be thought to have scope for natural improvement. Had boss not slaughtered SYT clocking 10.94 secs between the 1400m and 1200m mark, which is crazy in a mile race it would of added another group 1 in genuine group 1 rating time.

2. 2 Manhatten Rain rating 114 in CP yet never won a race after the Sires as a 2yo, yet on his ratings you told me he would beat Shoot Out every time . now Shoot Out has won group races as a 2,3 & 4yo and i can't remember a good word your've said about him . why?, because he hasn't run good ratings. but which one would you want . LIE!

Not sure i said MR would beat Shoot out everytime but racing results and outcomes always rely on the way a race is run, but no doubt MR was dissapointing after her cox plate run but the fact is, it did run that rating and that's my point. Alot of times horses don't come up in there next prep, especially fillies and mares. I'll post my thoughts on horses too pot and follow in a new thread.

Typhoon Tracy wont win the Cox Plate. And if it was a dry track, So You Think would have beaten her more convincingly. Being set for the Cox Plate has taken the go button from her. I have said for 12 months she is over-rated and she is proving me right (so far)

Nudge Typhoon tracy has proven in the past that she can sprint much faster than what she produced on saturday. I agree with you that she won't win the cox plate but i think you have underestimated her ability as a racehorse, but that's just my opinion based on her previous peformances and ratings. There's no doubt she's a much superior horse on top of the ground and with a few run's under her belt. We may see her race over the odds this campaign.

1. I was not convinced with SHOOTOUT until i saw his run last weekend............I was on SOYOUTHINK and when i seen that horse flash home late I was trying to work out who it was......I thought it couldnt have been SHOOTOUT as it was 3 wide the entire trip..........but there it was finishing 3 lengths to all others 1. i think this bloke is the real deal and will prove it as the spring progresses..........

2. TYPHOON TRACY is every bit as good as everyone thinks she is.........she has won that many G1'S I cant remember how many anymore...........You cant read into her past form and put her down for her run last week........she is a good tracker and she will break alot of horses hearts over the 1400m-1600m this spring.

3.WHOBEGOTYOU went as well as ever on saturday and is also in for a heck of a spring carnival. Once he gets back and comes with his big sprint home id say he'll nab another G1, maybs the cox plate even!

I have no doubt she is a very good racehorse, but is she capable of beating the A-grade this campaign? I dont think so. After Saturday's effort, she will be good odds at her next start because the spotlight wont be on her.

In terms of Cox Plate, I completely forgot about Rothesay. He was my favourite horse in the winner. The way he won two starts ago sitting three wide throughout against tougher, more seasoned horses was just amazing. He was still a big baby then. I cant wait to see what he does this time in.

more joyous or me gai been spruicking this mare for a long time now 25/1 seems nice odds to me

Tell me one of Gai's horses that she doesnt spruik. Not saying she cant win and i hope she does go to the cox plate but Gai is always spruiking her horses like theres no tomorrow

Totally right caviar. Im a big more joyous fan but couldn't have her on exposed form in the toughest 2040m race there is. Hasn't had a start over 1600m yet and the start she won at 1600 was only against fillies. I would say 26's is about her price or possibly unders.

yes boys Gai does love to spruik her runners...I was listening to 927 two weeks ago and they spoke to Gai and they only wanted to ask about one of her runners for the day... she then went through all of her runners and pretty much said the same thing about each giving them massive wraps.. needless to say they cut her off and said thanks and goodbye before she could get another word in... then the panel all laughed and moved on.

There is a little write up about rothesay, and how good it looked winning its trial.

i agree demonick - like it at 41's hope it can get the distance -It will be interesting to see whether its Winter form stacks up.

guys wonderin where you seen rothesay at 41,s i would like some of that

geez WHOBE is a good type but he'd owe you a fair quid wouldn't he?. seems to find 1 better in the big one's. So you think back to back and then he sets up a shot at emulating the great Kingston Town's 3 in a row,and he'll only be 5.i'd love him to be in my yard.

Ok so after saturdays run, the Kavs are seriously considering taking Shocking to the Cox Plate currently $16.... Thoughts?? will get the distance etc Havnt checked whether he has raced at MV yet but see no reason why he couldnt handle the track?

Umm he raced there on Dato Tan Chin Nam race day last year I think? He was second up, a warm favourite and finished down the track behind Philda (The reason I remember this well is because Shocking cost me 25K with the Big 6)

Spot on Nudge, Shocking is very much like Efficient, completely different horses at Flemington as opposed to anywhere else.. He might go to the Plate but I won't be backing him although his win on Saturday was brilliant. SYT won't race this Saturday either boys in case people haven't heard that, he'll go straight to the Underwood then the Yalumba then the Plate. Seems a perfect lead up for me, by that stage Shoot Out will be having his 86th run this campaign.

Haha, love that Shootout comment at the end there. Get on Trusting now, otherwise you'll regret it after Saturday.

Don't knock Shoot Out's chances, JW will have him right on the day. With average luck he will be the one to beat!!

Just the Cox Plate for Trusting SAQ_FLY, being a stallion you would think his main aim will be the Cox Plate.

I think he's a freak of a horse. We'll have to wait until next week to see him again, didn't accept for Saturday.

One of my favourites is back Saturday, Zipping. 2.9L 3rd in the Cox Plate last year giving So You Think a 9.5kg advantage. This year the weights swing back 8kg's in Zipping's favour. Could he emulate Fields of Omaghs feat and win it as a 9 yo...

I hope so, he's a war horse and i wouldn't confidently back against him in any of the big ones

I would love to see Neeson win the Epsom, and then Joe bring him down to Melbourne to give him a crack at the CP! I know there's a lot of queries about quality, distance, and the valley. But the way he can relax in a race and take a sit close to the speed would suggest he would be suited to the valley. $100+ being offered on betfair.

looks like i stand corrected
So You Think looks to be on the verge of history as the only 3yo to return to the Cox plate and win , after yesterdays performance only bad luck can beat him. at this stage i think he looks as brilliant as Sanitly did as a 4yo, the year he won the Cox ,MC double.
place getters for this years race rest with Zipping , who's having his best 12 months racing. Shoot Out who is a quality performer. Metal Bender who is in great form and loves this distance. then Whobegotyou who wasn't flogged by Rodd after SYT skipped away. Trusting who's coming to hand nicely. i think this Cox plate will be one that will be remembered for the overall quality of the field and how dominate the winner was.

Caviar do you still think So You Think won't run 2 miles?

HesLightning
wrote Aug 30 at 10:24am2010-08-29 23:24:27
They won't get near So You Think. He is a superstar. He will win everything he races in this prep. I hope Bart runs him in the cup

Caviar
wrote Aug 30 at 2:59pm2010-08-30 03:59:08
Surround you have already been proven wrong. This horse is a superstar and will make it back to back cox plates this year.
Heslightning So You Think wont run 2 miles and theres no way bart would put him in it

I took $7 for So You Think to do the Cox/Melbourne Cup double this morning. If he wins the Cox and goes onto Melbourne cup he'll jump at 3-1 so happy to take the $7. Freakish Horse.... and just love watching him run.

So You Think is by High Chaparral, there is no reason why he couldn't run the two mile out.

I was right, no cox plate for Typhoon Tracy. Peter Moody, I hope, has realised now she isnt as great as people think she is. Against the mares, she'll blitz them.

Her run in the turnball was terrific Nudge. Open class no one would of beaten her in the Myer classic last year. Maybe she's not the superstar alot thought she was but jeez you wouldn't mind owning her. P. moody is a master of placing his horses to gain the owners the most prizemoney.

If you knocking TT it's like Knocking Hot Danish shouldn't be any knocks on either.

At her best Typhoon Tracy is a 4-5l better horse on top of the ground.

I am not knocking her. She is a great mare, no doubts about that BUT she cant compete with the big boys. If Peter Moody keeps her against the mares, she'll be undefeated for the remainder of her career. She ran a solid race in the Turnbull but again, when the going got tough, she didnt want a bar of it. She was going to win the Turnbull, loomed up to win it, but didnt have the X-factor against the best.

Agree with you totally Nudge. TT is a very good mare and she'll win whatever F&M races she goes in but she's not the cream. You sum it up perfectly mate, she had every chance to knock off the big boys in the Turnbull, but she doesn't like the fight.

i will put my house on her in the MYER lads... thought her effort behind ZIPPING was bloody good.

anyone know if TRUSTING is still heading for the Cox? The $31 currently on offer is very tempting if he is....

Your thoughts on Whobegotyou Vs So You Think in the Cox Plate chilli? I'm pretty sure you've maintained Whobe would always turn the tables this year. Your thoughts now?

Really looking forward to this race next week, more than i have any cox plate in the past.

and chilli.. with your head not your heart... ;)

he would be doing it pretty tough to go past him SINESTRO... looked like WHOBE got his heart broken last start. Obviously its between SYT and MORE JOYOUS but the only scenario i can see WBGTY winning is if MJ doesnt find her right leg again cos Moonee Valley is far less forgiving than Caulfield and if SYT has flattened out in prep for the MELB CUP which would be a typical Cummings Cup buildup.

either way i dont think it would be smart to bet heavily based upon those outcomes... i will be on him though.

SHOOT OUT's form has been franked by Descarado & Monaco Consul in the CC after their Derby 1,2,3...

SYT will win rain, hail or shine...best horse in Australia by a mile...took the $26 on offer 6 weeks before last years Cox Plate...and have followed up this year at $3.80 again 6 weeks ago...that's why he is my profile pic :) AN ABSOLUTE CHAMPION

I'm gonna take a f4 here So you think standout to beat shootout, zipping, whoobe, mj, and wall street who will run a good race, ginga dude franked his form from the group one spring classic when he jumped from the widest gate sat outside leader and kicked clear to beat ginga dude over the cox plate journey. I don't think mj will run a place but I can't risk her, with that in mind I cnt hav captain sonador, trusting or luen yat forever as they hav poor form in relation to mj. Also cnt have avienus, gets in very poorly at the weights too.

SHOOTOUT the only possible danger for SYT. But I dont think there is any point us trying to find chinks in the armour. I have been doing that for ages with MJ and have come out second best almost on every occasion!

You dont knock a champion and this bloke already is one. Throw him in your all ups and stand him out in your big 6's and quaddies.........he wont win the melb cup though.........

all the talks about SYT , More Joyous and Shootout, fighting out the finish , but there a horse from New Zealand by the name of Wall street whos is gunning for Cox plate.Hes been set for this race ,and is clearly our best Weight for age horse by far.id be throwing him in for the first 4 s .

Yeah, I watched the Kelt Capital and Wall Street was very good at the end. Whether if he can stand up on Saturda remains to be seen. Xcellent came over here in 2005 and was rated as NZ's best chance to win since Sunline and he failed before running fourth behind Makybe in the Melbourne Cup. Shoot Out is a good e/w investment, if he gets clean air he can really finish it off. Cant have Captain Sonador but the one I am very confident about is Zipping. He beat the best horses in the land with the exceptions of SYT and MJ in the Turnbull at just his second run his prep. He loves the MV 2040m, he is fresh, he'll be just off the pace and I think Lloyd has timed this bloke to perfection in readiness for this.

im keener on SHOOT OUT for the cup after his last effort...

not to be picky but Xcellent ran 3rd in the melbourne cup .8-) i had $50 each way on him that day and got a nice collect .

Xcellent - I could have kissed that horse. Got me a monster tri/F4.

I am potting more joyous, i don't think she has any chance of beating Soyouthink Her run was full of meit last start but this is a totally different scenario. This race will be full of pressure from the word go and i don't think she'll be able to handle it, i also think she's vulnerable at the mile & a quart..

Captain sonador is the clear place value, his form is great and yet trusting who he beat in the epsom on his merits is $18 & the captain is $54 !! you work that out ?

Zipping is the one i'll be taking as a standout for second and third, he's a proven war horse and is going well again. He is proven at course and distance and his run when maldivian won when they walked for most of the race was outstanding. The tempo won't be like that on saturday with Avienus in the race and he's my clear second pick.

Whobegotyou has proven he can't win in this class over this distance, may sneak 3rd or 4th. Has no chance whatsoever of winning.

Shoot out is definitely a place chance and will also have no problem running a strong 2000m in a pressure race he's definitely a chance for 2nd or third.

My picks are
1. The obvious Soyoubetterbelieveit
2. Zipping the old war horse & the only one that could beat Soyouthink if there's a chink somewhere on the day
3. Shoot out
4. My best roughie Captain Sonador

Laying - More joyous
Tri & First four
Soyouthink/Zipping/Shoot out, the captain and Whobe add more joyous only for fourth
Soyouthink/Shootout, the captain/Zipping/Whobe and Morejoyous

Plugger think alot will be laying More Joyous, I wont be suprised if I have to lay at 9-10! Will be place laying it also

Captain Sonador had a much easier run than Trusting in the Epsom.

I have Zipping at 35's in doubles, i will be cheering him home.

Bossy even said that Captain Sonador would be doing it tough if he went to the Cox Plate after the Epsom win. No way will he be in the finish. My top three would be Zipping/Shoot Out/So You Think and Wall Street as the value runner.

yeah TRUSTING was 3-4W no cover pretty much the whole trip in the Epsom and still managed to accelerate nicely in the straight, few more strides i think he wins... Cassidy was of the understanding he didn't handle the track either... Bossy rode for luck on the CAPTAIN and it opened up for him in the straight...

Are we looking at a Moonee Valley bog heavy track for Saturday? That'll make things interesting.

Should be really great warming weather on Thursday so don't think MV will be a bog there Infidel. This meeting traditionally plays true as far as the pattern goes.

problem is [Money Talks] is that the forecast for Saturday is for rain, rain and more rain. Makes a slow to heavy more likely despite the excellent drainage at the Vallley.

I hope for the sake of KD and others who gleefully took the overs about So You Think some weeks ago that it doesn't turn out like the time I had $5K @ $6 about Lonhro 6 weeks out from the Cox Plate in 2003. Come Cox Plate morning I was feeling very smug when he was odds on....................

I can remember taking the shorts about Lonhro Cox Plate morning... and then it started to rain.

One other thing SYT is no champion yet. He may be a champion come 5.35pm on Saturday, but lets not blow the front of our strides out until he crosses the line first.

Kingston town was a champion , Sunline was a champion .Phat Lap was a champion ,Tulloch was a champion ,So You think { im a huge fan} has won 6 races...1400m - 2000 m. 3 group 1s...
if he wins the cox plate , and the melbourne cup , and the australian cup next year and every other race in between , then we should think about calling him a Champion ...8-}

That's a big 'if', but I hope he can do it, and I think he can do it. Watching champions is what makes horse racing.

I heard a whisper from a birdy, dont know how true it is but the rumour is if SYT wins this saturday he will be retired to stud as the money on offer is to good to refuse??

On form cant see SYT being beaten but i like shoot out, trusting and zipping so maybe a first 4 bet there but ill be mainly sitting back and watching this race.

Yeah, Dato Chin Nam must be down to his last billion.

Looks like forecast has changed slightly since i last checked. They are forecasting scattered showers until late afternoon for saturday, so hopefully dead track. SYT should be running in the Melbourne Cup. I don't think Bart will have him fully wound up for this saturday and will be at his peak for MC.

should be a great race, would love so you think to win by 9 lengths, champions like him dont come around to often. Might have a tickle on trusting for a place, should run on well.

history tells us that past Cox plate performers ,perform well the next year. but history tells us that no 3yo has returned to the Cox plate and been successful in defending their title ,
history tells us that Zipping will beat So You Think today
then again history could be rewritten today.
either way jump on the quinella until your nose bleeds

track rated a dead 4

Agree surround........that quinella looks a good thing........probably pay MORE than the exacta...

SYT is the one, no question. I can't really see him getting beaten, so I'll try to get the minors. Firstly though, if Bart is right about this horse there is every chance that in 12-13 months (if he hasn't gone to stud) SYT could have had about 22-24 starts and won 3 Cox Plates and maybe a Melbourne Cup or 2..........can that be possible?

MJ is the one with a bit of a question mark for mine, still "on the up" really. Drops in weight for her first go this distance/class which is good. Bred to get a trip like this. She has been faultless for a while now and excellent this prep. I think she is primed to run the race of her life......and finish 2nd.
Zipping has good form and is going very well. But I think we know his mark and it is just below Cox Plate level. He is definately good enough to run 2nd here though. Interesting that he has been set for this race rather than the Cups this year.
Shoot Out looked sharp as a tack fresh from a spell but quickly flattened or went a bit dour. Plenty of talk about him going to the Melbourne Cup, maybe it isn't his day today. I can still see some improvement in him whereas we know what we get with horses like Zipping and Whobe.
Trusting is my KO horse, I've just always had a soft spot for it.

First4

5 / 1, 6, 10 / 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 10 / 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 10 = 45 combos

Spot on surround.......had a nice collect thanks to you buddy.....:-)

cheers me too ;-}

Great work Surround. Nice quinella. What a great war horse Zipping is.