Black Caviar on 1400m Orr Stakes on Caulfield?

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justlucky

wrote Jan 28 at 3:44am2012-01-28 03:44:23

Can Black Caviar still win on a 1400m race? and who will be its rival for that race...?

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eagleillegal

wrote Feb 12 at 10:06am2012-02-12 10:06:20

people should check this site out, has good footage and videos of some greats, including gloaming and desert gold
http://www.racinghalloffame.co.nz/Inductee-Videos/Horses/Racehorses/Gloaming

tip2008

wrote Feb 12 at 6:52pm2012-02-12 18:52:26

http://www.races.com.au/2011/04/05/rocket-man-jj-the-jet-plane-to-swoop-on-black-caviar-in-patinack-farm-classic-2011/
Pity it didn't occur...
JJ has raced around the World eg:
J J The Jet Plane prevails in Hong Kong Sprint so there is some competition out there.
WINDSOR J J The Jet Plane wins British debut - Horse Racing ...
J J The Jet Plane's epic win over Rocket Man is one for ages
Victorious JJ The Jet Plane now favourite for Dubai World Cup
http://www.thenational.ae/sport/horse-racing/underdogs-bark-loud-on-a-night-of-upsets-at-dubai-world-cup
May have been a good race rocket man, BC and JJ.

MelbMan

wrote Feb 12 at 10:35pm2012-02-12 22:35:19

Black Caviar would have handled Rocket Man, JJ The Jet Plane, Sacred Kingdom etc and even Silent Witness easily in my opinion. What people need to realise is she is not just winning she has won every start easily and without being fully extended. How many of her races could have her already big winning margins been extended or even doubled ? On average she wins by 3.5l each and every time she races. She's doing this under hands and heels riding unextended and over sprint trips, where you expect margins to be closer. She's the most dominant horse on the planet along with Frankel.

Madmax60

wrote Feb 12 at 11:08pm2012-02-12 23:08:37

Yeh she had a shake up at the 200m in the tj smith and had to hit the line then. Even more impressive was how she accelerated and picked him up in a couple of bounds.

Moonshine

wrote Feb 12 at 11:51pm2012-02-12 23:51:12

Watch the Lightning Stakes again!! Its incredible. The way she won on Saturday I would love to see her come back next year for the Doncaster. It may be akin to setting Miss Finland or Weekend Hussler for Caulfield Cup but once she has won every big sprint on the planet why not set her for the ultimate test in what if I were and owner would be (along with the Cox Plate) the race I would most like to win. And honestly the way she won the Orr she is an unknown quantity at 1600m.

MelbMan

wrote Feb 13 at 12:10am2012-02-13 00:10:11

Only one problem........what weight would she get in a Doncaster ? 63 - 64kg's ?

Madmax60

wrote Feb 13 at 1:45am2012-02-13 01:45:45

To win a Doncaster you have to be a class middle distance horse IMO. Even though it's a 1600m race it's a genuine pace and winners are generally strong at the 1600. Sprinters/milers who run up to 1600 are usually found out.
If she is set for longer moody has to change his trainers tactics significantly. Too much of a risk if he gets it wrong, its not like she needs to enhance her status as a broodmare. IMO I don't think it would be a very god business decision although it would be great for racing.

nblake

wrote Feb 13 at 2:31am2012-02-13 02:31:16

Weekend Hustler!!! anybody remember

dener3

wrote Feb 13 at 3:00am2012-02-13 03:00:53

I would love to of seen a match race between Sunline and Black Caviar over 1600m at set weights

fatchesta

wrote Feb 13 at 3:08am2012-02-13 03:08:02

now your'e talkin dener3

aus1

wrote Feb 13 at 3:21am2012-02-13 03:21:41

super impose was better than sunline )

fatchesta

wrote Feb 13 at 3:28am2012-02-13 03:28:30

how about knockout match racing rounds then? like a Grand slam...lol

fatchesta

wrote Feb 13 at 3:29am2012-02-13 03:29:16

we just need horse float sized time machines to make it happen!

dener3

wrote Feb 13 at 3:32am2012-02-13 03:32:01

The problem with Super V BC is she would dawdle along in front and out sprint him at the end, she couldn't do that to Sunline. You need to match styles plus ability in a 1 on 1 horse race

dener3

wrote Feb 13 at 3:33am2012-02-13 03:33:27

But if you are putting some pace makers in the race it becomes a whole other story lol

aus1

wrote Feb 13 at 3:39am2012-02-13 03:39:02

thats why i love the cup so mubh . 2 mile and ño excuses

Lilydale_Steve

wrote Feb 16 at 12:40am2012-02-16 00:40:08

For those who still doubt her quality saying she`s not beaten much here are some stats provided by for jockey Miracle Mal Johnston on Black Caviar`s beaten brigade.

Black Caviar:
* won 18 from 18
* combined winning margin 61.75 lengths (avg 3.5L)

The Horses she has beaten:
* Have combined earnings of $67,965,000
* They are the winners of 37 G1 races.
* They are the winners of 37 G2 races.
* They are the winners of 33 G3 races.

Group One Races won by the beaten brigade:
King`s Stand
Newmarket (twice)
Lightning Stks
Manikato
Stradbroke (3 Times)
T.J. Smith
Doncaster
Slipper
Doomben 10,000 (Twice)
Blue Diamond
Oakleigh Plt
and a
Caulfield Cup.

Hasn`t beat much ! Turn it up.

Horsemiller12

wrote Feb 16 at 12:51am2012-02-16 00:51:20

Love it Lilydale Steve. Enormous effort to come up with those stats. Some people are just uneducated, misinformed, or jelous as hell. All you can do is shake your head at some of the muppets out there who feel it's a necessity to knock a once in a lifetime horse.